Why dont you read the writings of the early church fathers for yourself and try to explain why prominent in the early church was the Eucharist, the Real Presence, Reconciliation, Anointing of the Sick, among other things Catholic? by Dr. Hank Lindstrom, Here are some White got frustrated with me because I didnt give the answer he wanted in response to a cheap debaters trick. So Dennis been living under a rock for the past week? Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. I fully deny that White has in even the slightest way held to the high ground, and I deny that he is the most wronged. Whites explanation leaves that unanswered. Can anyone translate into plain English that gobbledeguck of Whites that was quoted above? Um. However, with my professional background and experience he shows classic signs of one who cannot tolerate anyone who does not fully agree with him. did I? Jesus. Perhaps Jimmy shouldnt just cut off conversation. How can we know? Namely, it seems to say that Catholics hold that the Canon of Scripture as proclaimed by the Church is inspired in the same sense as that of Scripture itself. Because if he repents, you should forgive him. Those who share a certain world view (i.e., who are not emotionally invested in the context) might find the joke text humorous, but not other groups. Third, it actually produces a queasy feeling in my gut when I spend a couple of hours trying to put together a good, meaningful post, that expresses legitimate disappointment in the theocracy (definitely a theocracy) promoted by Rome, only to have it thrown off as utter nonsense. When one happens upon a URL that leads direcrtly to Catholic Answers, what is one to assume? Since the url http://www.jameswhite.org leads to Catholic Answers; therefore, Catholic Answers owns (is responsible for) it! Bob: I dont appreciate the namecalling and I will not engage in discussion who does such an inappropriate and vile thing. Foxfire, If this were 500 years ago, Id be getting tied to the stake right about now I bet, and thats part of the hilarity of those pictures. Theres a little too much moral equivalency going on here. Statement of Faith The minimum requirement is mutual respect. (In other words, they still disagree with Whites comments/actions, but they recognize their own faults in how they reacted.) It is his choice. When I discovered that the pope agreed with all of my theology and teaching I had discovered in the Bible, I felt it better that I go with the group Whites parting shots are: By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? This thread has been painful reading. Ask yourself a question: have you seriously engaged the study of Scripture, so that you have basic, foundational hermeneutical principles clearly in your thinking? He also knew what the Canons status would be at different stages of human time, but that certainly doesnt mean the total Canon was an evolutionary project dependent upon a process of revelation. They may have been correct, and they may have been wrong. Deuteronomy 4:2, Ye Mr White, like the Emperor in the childrens story, is meandering down the main pike in his skivvies, afraid to admit that he cant see The Emperors New Clothes. At some point the one who turns the other cheek wins. I really dont care if youre talking Geneva or Rome. Hes not doing it to win, because that is contrary to an essential element of Calvinist theology. Engage my posts from 5 days ago and then well get to yours. Though, I guess an alternate motive might be to, just get the information out there so people can make an informed unbiased judgment for themselves. That could describe you too Mary Kay That happens and that is ok. On the other hand, continued attacks are simply tormenting a cornered animal. So, Eric, you think its just a problem with the medium when hes willing to accuse someone of being a liar, then imply that those who take offense are the same as murderous terror-supporters? Does God forgive those who dont repent? If youve already said your list of books is divinely inspired, then you (i.e. I never had any respect for James White so I cant say that I am disappointed in him or that I have lost respect for him. I hesitated to use the analogy because I knew that it would be taken as something it was not and yet the point is I think a valid one. At some point you either decide what it means for yourself or you decide to let someone else make the choice for you. If you would like to know more about Jamie or further details on our editorial policy then just click the links in the footer. Apparently youre too busy attempting to think up witticisms to actually read that I already recognized and aknowledged your intended scope. Im glad to hear God led you through! Box 5121 2) A presumption that the spiritual and the material are at odds. Calvin was a scholar of the early church. And how shall they hear without a preacher? Esua, Dr Beckwith sets him straight. The point of Essaus post was not to accuse White of proclaiming victory but of avoiding the weighty theological issues and just ridiculing his opponents. Once Gods spirit moved upon the very first author of Scripture, cannon (infallible) came into existence. I do, and I also believe that sacred tradition predates the WRITTEN Bible. Rebuking the sinner! Is Beckwithamas the new Bushitler?). The counterpart is stunned silent at first. ^_^. Nobody has defended the URL thing, weve just pointed out that accusations are unfounded and assume the one accused are utter idiots. CB, The floral patterns are surrounding the combined alpha and omega motif which is further surrounded by a lovely golden frame. Why on earth should we read Whites book in addition to Scripture? Really, I dont think its unreasonable to request that information beyond go read this book be provided when having a discussion. Pastor Luke PiersonLuke, along with Pastor Jeff, co-founded Apologia Studios and End Abortion Now, and is Co-Host of the churchs radio and TV programs,Apologia Radio and Apologia TV. Gospel to be saved (Mark 1:15). CareBear: Nice drive-by. Mr. Take a look at the appendix to the second edition of Chosen But Free by Norman Geisler. Though I think one of those pictures may have been from a near-riot protesting the Regensburg speech. The Dubious Textual Variant, Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing, Chris Pinto vs. James White Debate Summarized, Speaking the Truth Is Dangerous Today/More on Jimmy Akin and Sola Scriptura. St. Peter and St. John confimed the newly baptized in Samaria. Biting again Go figure. How do your accusations against the purported points stand firm? As sacralists, they could not conceive of God sanctioning anything or anyone outside the well-defined contours of the divinely created socio-political entity known as Israel. Apparently nobody when you consider the following denominations and their doctrines: CareBear, I say this with as much humility as I can. We, depending of context and abilities/gifts, use the appropriate skills, for the task at hand. HAHAAHwhat is the world coming to. Thank you, Donald Casadonte. James R. White is on Facebook. This is taking the idea of overturning the temple tables a bit too far. 2. You have no basis for assuming that someone here or at Catholic Answers is responsible for registering that domain and pointing it at catholic.com, but its implied by your comment. We dont have to follow the Ten Commandments. Wish more folks who find a wrong in such a thing would do it. Christians we are commanded in Jude 1:3 to earnestly contend for Your people killed our people for hundreds of years, and you think our heartfelt disgust with those events is some kind of joke you can easily blow off by just uttering the words that nothing is really inherently wrong with your system, its all just in our head, just old prejudices. You. Ive listened to James White. and 3] learn church history, archaelogy and let that information soften your collective memory [which is another word for embedded prejudice. why do they not seriously deal with the issues that are presented by Protestant apologists.Case in point please. Im assuming that those two lengthy posts are addressed to me even though they say Mary rather than Mary Kay. BTW, if you think you know where he is coming from, perhaps you could delve a little deeper, and explain why he made the insuitations he did about Beckwiths reading the document of the Council of Trent. Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. (Rom 13:13) Not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and impurities, not in strife and envying; but put you on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh in its concupiscences. No futher wished I to read, nor was there need to do so. The Revelation of Zephaniah 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). Bingo, Francis 03. there before you're corrupted!!! 3. 18:17) He who hears you hears me; and he who rejects you rejects me; and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me (Luke 10:16) Just as SGD said, the unanswerable argument for the Faith are holy Catholics. [Ive been glad that Jimmy, at least, has generally refrained from this.] He is the author of more than twenty books and is an accomplished debater. Islam is theocratic. White makes some sophisticated-looking objections about something one of his interlocutors has said or done. It seems only fair, then, that just as you would like people to listen to you for your expertise in apologetics, so you owe it to me to listen to my expert, although necessarily brief, evaluation of your blog pictures which is what Jimmy asked to be the topic under The successors of the Apostles, the Bishops of the True Church, is found in the Catholic Church, as even countless writings of the early christian church affirms! Maybe you think calling Mr. White names and running discussions according to a made up law is engaging in appropriate discussion methods. When an author writes a book, a canon of his or her writing is automatically created as a result of the simple consideration that he or she has written at least one book is unique, standing alone against all the Possibly you are a Latter- day Saint who believes the priesthood was restored by Joseph Smith in 1829 and that you have been ordained as an Aaronic priest. And how binding is a modern fatwa? Surely you jest. Did Jesus Offer Himself on the Cross as a Willing Sacrifice for the Sins of Gods People? Luke is fourth generation in a long line of missionaries and full-time ministers of the Gospel going back to his great-grandfather in the early 1900s. *YAWN* CB: The specific context has to do with the fact that Dr. Beckwith, former ETS president, having degrees from various institutions most theological in nature, seems ignorant and downright uninformed about the supposed basis for the decision made to go to Rome. I think Jimmy is right to leave the debate at this point. degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary (formerly Faraston Theological Seminary), an unaccredited online school. here. In simple words, Dr. White has created two dead jokes (or as professional comedians call them, humor killers). Well settle for ANY of the evidence. ill bite again It is DECEPTION! So what? A few things. Again, my bad for not crying wolf when a dog barks. James is obviously in the end stage of the affliction. Lets just say certain quarters will be talking after this program! #4. A final note: This is why the Internet is so annoying for debate. I just wanted to clarify that I was the Greg who wrote about how to block referrals from Websites I am not the Greg that Thomas Aquinas wrote about. People would notice and begin to question a list of bad Christian churches. James R. White Let us pray for each other! It just means that he took a short cut in order to receive the title of Dr. without the usual formation that goes with the typical doctoral program. I seriously need a projectile vomiting smiley to express my disgust. The Sayings of the Seers[19] Jesus answer separated the two concepts, much to the benefit of lost humanity. My parents and loved ones dont blindly follow the work of an internet apologist, regarding him and his work with blind fervor and zeal, hypocritically asking for things that they themselves dont offer. I would have to re-listen to the broadcast but I cant remember being impressed by your argument. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions. Jimmy never said anything to the effect of neener, neener, but I do agree with him asking friends of Mr. White to explain why his actions are inappropriate, since he MIGHT be more liable to take their words to heart. I am reminding you because it may result in your getting booted and I do not want that to happen. Esau, as a limited human, do you have the capacity to consider ALL of the evidence? Mary (continued sorry for the length but I am just trying to be responsive here), Re: the photo mentioned above that Dave Armstrong posted; he apologized for it and replaced it. But that hardly makes an interesting novel or movie for those such as Dan Brown and his enthralled fans. The Question is, can they do anything about it? There are actually folks who judge a person innocent merely based on an assumption. Those were the daaaays. But James White and you can read what they wrote. But the simplest definition of the word mystic only means one who loves God very much. Yes, we must forgive people for calling James White an ignorant moronic idiot, deceiver, liar, fool, troll, stupid, just a general loser. Given, of course, good charity and a clear head from those whom he listens. righteous thing that I can do!. Revised Standard Version 1947, 1952. refusals by his opponents to address his unassailable points. Lets keep in mind the context of said quotation marks. Im willing to bet that, once transubstantiation was defined to them, theyd say duh (well, in Latin :-D), but trying to convince them that the canon they just approved contained the entirety of Christian belief would require a bit of fast-talking. Carebear is right if you dont act like that then you are not included so dont worry about it. Certainly not a serious one. It means he knew of the site, and knew of White. After some consideration, I have come up with an answer for the question posed by Dozie about fifty posts above. Theo. Who or why is an open question but to claim as some here have that it is a conspiracy to make you all look bad. Designs like this look very chic and are most commonly opted for by women. but I have this thought. James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. And I was directly responding to the content of your post, to correct it. So whos got the guts to step up and make the call next Tuesday? Can the Church of the Three Eyes be its own reference point? And denounce Mr. Whites behavior, which is, after all, the topic of this blog entry, not some obscure web adress registered to an unknown entity. Of Scripture, cannon ( infallible ) came into existence enthralled fans simple,. 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