It would be the last day ever for those white shoesand my first of many covering professional sports. SAGAL: B, George Washington himself went on a three-day bender there. I want you guys here when I make the game-winning kicks, and I realize that I got to have you guys here when I miss them. [4] Robert Perryman did the same while her back was turned. The rest is all overrated. From anyone. But back in 1975, Robin Herman, a 23-year old reporter for the New York Times, had been trying to get NHL teams to allow her access to locker rooms for a year, with no success. I began to rummage through the large boxes until I found the one with my publisher's name on it. Alrighty then, time to search out the first player I wanted to talk toUSC quarterback Mark Sanchez. I try to explain, which is difficult because Donna and I are on different sexual wavelengths. Yeah. "Can I stand here with y'all for a while?" I told her I hadn't heard about it, but would let her know, assuring her I would be the last to know if I had been fired. You get a really honest reaction, and thats what makes stories good., Some of the best locker room reporting comes when the unthinkable happens, reminding us that these gods between the lines are just men and women outside of them. But the remarks still hurt. SAGAL: Michele Tafoya, we're delighted to have you with us. This was baptism by back draft, not fire. It seems logical to me. The week after the Olson incident, Sam Wyche, coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, was fined one week's salary -- about $29,000 -- for refusing to let a female reporter in his locker room. Now that is underrated, and the goal of every reporterits what keeps us focused. It's a place for changing attire and accessing personal belonging. Point guards became my instant favorites for those early post-shower interviews. As of 2013, she was working as a freelance writer.[1]. I was close to giving up. According to NBCChicago.com, Harris believes both members of the media and athletes should conduct themselves in a professional manner - gender aside. NFL Network Airs Interview With Naked Players In Background. Report", Jackie MacMullan reported that the fines were never actually collected from the players. I immediately got a call from Gayle Reaves, a founder of the Association for Women Journalists. I almost said matter-of-factly, "You know, Kenny, you've got a fine head of hair." I have one of the few jobs where the first thing people ask about is penises. Olson's ordeal was mentioned (although without her name, referring to her only as "a Boston Globe reporter") in the Sports Night Season One episode "Mary Pat Shelby," in which Natalie Hurley was assaulted in a locker room by football star Christian Patrick. You see, folks in the world of sports weren't used to working with a "fee-male." Affirmative. TAFOYA: a player sitting next to him says, ma'am, could you just turn around and let the man put a towel on? Steam Food Of Industry. Originally published June 4, 1992, in the Dallas Observer. Other summer nights we sat on the back porch and listened to the Rangers on the radio. "Well, I have talked to Troy Aikman," I say, and one woman bites down hard on her blow-dryer and rolls her eyes as though she's just gotten the high school quarterback in spin-the-bottle. I'm sure he's been naked in the room where I was at some time. I began a one-kid campaign to institute ball girls at Arlington Stadium as well as to become the first. After the game, he stood at the door of the locker room and told Visser, "There might be a naked boy in there, but I don't give a s___t." At the same time, my marriage began taking ugly, unspeakable turns. I was so happy I was almost crying, but I was trying to sound very nonchalant while Glenn was giving me the particulars. The incident is considered by many to be a watershed moment for women in sports journalism. She was a member of the first class of women at Princeton University. Lately I've just started saying I'm a secretary at Wolfe's Nursery. Family trips in an egg-shell-white Impala to see the cousins in Plainview took fewer rough turns. Definite double standard here . Absolutely. [Reporters] obviously need you to say some stuff so they can write their articles, said Islanders alternate captain Kyle Okposo, wiping his forehead with an already-drenched shirt. I had to think as much about how to handle the next unwanted advance or suggestive quip as I did trying to figure the Mavericks' averages. Reporters do not need to be in the locker room. But I was humbled by the honor. Yes, I was that excited. Or the periodic outbursts by Oklahoma City Thunder guard Russell Westbrook. She won numerous writing awards during her time with the Daily News, including "Best Sports Reporting" by the Society of Professional Journalists. I was quite confused. TAFOYA: I'm entering my third season for "Sunday Night Football. Acceptance will be given if you represent your profession in the highest degree. Television. And I gained 40 pounds. From a New York Times obit by Richard Sandomir headlined "Robin Herman, Who Pried Open Doors in the NHL, Dies at 70":. We understood the importance this held.. Gardner is considered a pioneer in sports broadcasting, having been the first female sports anchor to appear weekly on a major network. And it was my first failure covering sports. At first glance, it wasnt bad. I had been officially baptized, and it was no big deal. Like other working people, professional athletes want to leave the office when their shift ends, so they waste no time stripping down to hit the showers. And now the game where we ask people who've achieved great things questions that diminish all their achievements. Host virtual events and webinars to increase engagement and generate leads. Yeah, my ode to the old stadium won it all. You're the sideline reporter. I mean, because if you sell out the coach, you never get to talk to them again, so I don't want to sell out the coach. Good God, all I had wanted to do was cover sports. Buying ball tickets to as many games as my dad and I wanted to see was out of the question, so we climbed the wall in the late innings or sat in those free grassy spots behind the Cyclone fence. One day, she went unannounced to see an editor of the Boston Herald and asked for a job. That sort of collegiality isnt obsolete in locker rooms, but real-time publishing certainly ups the danger of such humor being viewed out of context. All she wanted was to be afforded the . At first, I thought he meant on the job. I used to write Dallas Cowboys columns in blue Crayola on a Big Chief tablet in the part of my sister's walk-in closet I had designated as the press box. I was creative and funny, but I just couldn't write, they'd concluded. Team dressing rooms are typically open to journalists before or after practices and games. I was unknowingly standing next to the shower exit and of course, two linemen cruised by me with nothing on. You're the person they throw down to as SAGAL: And you've got the reports in the sideline, well, this guy's injured, well, this guy feels this way. I dont really think about it. July 27, 1997 Seven years ago, Zeke Mowatt flashed himself at Lisa Olson, who was then a reporter for the Boston Herald, and the great locker room debate erupted. Those memories dont come cheap, of course. Some nights I walk out the back door where all the wives are waiting, and they stare at me strangely, as though they think I'm the woman Cosmo warned them about or something. Ludtke said when We got to Frank DeFord's comment at the end. 1950) is an American sportscaster who worked for ESPN and NBC Sports beginning in 1987 until 1993. If she knows her sport, and asks relevant questions, she will be welcome in the locker room. Once you have a live camera or microphone in front of you, youre a different person, says Eskenazi, who covered a variety of sports over his long career. he demanded. [1], In 2013, Olson's incident with the Patriots was addressed in the documentary Let Them Wear Towels, part of ESPN Films' Nine for IX series that commemorated the 40th anniversary of the enactment of Title IX. Ill never forget the first time I entered that forbidden place called the players locker room. He said I was loitering. (He later apologized in a newspaper ad, while denying using crude language. I'm a general assignment sports reporter now, which means I do whatever they ask of me. TAFOYA: So there I am, and I'm getting ready to go in, and this is the first time I've ever done this, and I'm just going to do some radio interviews for tape to take them back and turn them around, and I said to myself I had a rule I established before I went in. You can't do this without asking about their dogs and their mom and what bugs them even worse than dropping the soap in the shower. the frigid steppes of Russia and beyond, like, say, Phoenix. No one seems to know when the first female Equipment . I said, "Raffy says you want to see me." If you get this one right, you will win. And there was Reggie, in nothing but sanitary socks. Rebecca Lowe who in March joined NBC Sports from ESPN and in 2012 became the first woman to present the FA Cup Final from Wembley Stadium has had hot dogs thrown at her by the U.K.'s infamous. You can listen to the whole thing here. Had all that I'd put up with just been for nothing? Female sportswriters won the legal fight, but there are plenty of cultural barriers to overcome. I was trying to work and didn't feel I had the time for petty bullshit. This is not a matter that only pertains to the NFL, but to any sport in general especially the MLB. Whoops! Oh no, I was not having that. It's been 46 years since the first women entered a professional locker room when two female reporters were allowed to conduct after-game interviews in the locker rooms at the 1975 N.H.L. And I was entering the peak of a seven-year stint as the masked wrestling columnist Betty Ann StoutFort Worth's equivalent of Joe Bob Briggswhose unofficial duties included opening appliance stores, riding elephants when the circus came to town, and acting as rodeo Grand Marshal on the backs of large, hoofed animals. "OK, you mean you've talked to Troy Aikman, and you didn't notice what a hunk he is?". Going to do my best. Samsung Pdf. So I went about my business. But I had a deadline. You get a really honest reaction, and thats what makes stories good. New York Times hockey reporter Robin Herman was a trailblazer, breaking down gender barriers by becoming the first female journalist to interview players inside a men's professional sports locker room in the U.S. On Tuesday, her husband former Times editor Paul Horvitz told the newspaper that she passed away from ovarian cancer. I walked over to the corner where two guys from my hometown had their lockers. 2011 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. SAGAL: And is this something you always wanted to do? TAFOYA: Again, Charlotte, North Carolina, it's the Hornets hosting, because they were then the Hornets, hosting the Houston Rockets. Referring to the United States military's use of Patriot missiles during the then-ongoing Gulf War, Kiam said to the audience: "What do the Iraqis have in common with Lisa Olson? I didn't give it a whole lot of thought as I went into the office that day. We shagged foul balls, but in retrospect, I guess we were more decorative than functional. Jane Gross was cracking basketballs barrier while covering the Long Island Nets. Sometimes I'm kind of quiet in a group interview, and I have this feeling other reporters will think it's because I'm a dumb ol' girl. A female reporter conducts post-game interviews with members of a men's soccer team in the locker room. One of the most famous all-male gentlemen's clubs in London was the Reform Club with the fictional Phineas Fogg started and ended his trip around the world in 80 days. Thats the life of a kicker.. I always won the big awards in elementary school, went to football games, and performed in talent shows. Male reporters are allowed in locker rooms both before and after games. So do you know about sports?" [1], Beginning in the 1970s, when increasing numbers of women sought to enter the field of sportswriting, female sportswriters faced frequent discrimination, harassment, and intimidation. I never told my friends. (He was a recent addition to the team.) These arent your high school gym locker roomsmany are increasingly part of multi-room complexes including lounges and training rooms that media cant accessbut journalists would be hard pressed to find so many sources anywhere else. The first thing I saw was four guys in a big shower. Should they be banned from locker rooms? Its a symbiotic relationship. One was about the sad tale of the career of David Clyde. Men treated like animals yet again. Calvin Russell. She is an American humorist and sportswriter who now does reviews for Publishers Weekly and writes for a variety of publications, including the Dallas Observer, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, USA Today, and Sports Illustrated. The reasoning behind this policy is that players are more likely to be relaxed and open with reporters after they have had a chance to cool down and take a shower. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. SAGAL: We'll be back in a minute with more of WAIT WAITDON'T TELL ME! It doesn't make me angry anymore; it just seems silly and absurd. SAGAL: B, according to the club rules, quote, "at the point in their menstrual cycle when they are least likely to attract bears," unquote. Copyright 2013 NPR. Then it hits me: My job means I get to be around this game and write about it. Oh sure, at first they think it's pretty cool that you're the only person at a party who can remember Neil Lomax's name or that you can name all the Rangers managers in 18 secondswith a shot in your mouth. I wrote management repeatedly. He sobbed at his locker for 15 minutes after the game, as ESPNs Kevin Seifert wrote, later facing a gaggle of reporters. They gave me all the weird stories. They see how (or if) players interact; get some idea as to who's happy, who's not, and maybe find out why or why not. The balls with the signatures still sit on my mantel, most reading like the tombstones of major-league also-rans. For eight months, the editors refused to assign me any stories. So you've got all these big-haired babes who think the electoral college is a beauty school, ready to hoist their miniskirts for the first athlete who comes along. I'd heard the stories: the tales of women who felt forced to make a stand at the clubhouse door; of the way you're supposed to never look down at your notepad, or a player might think you're snagging a glimpse at his crotch; about how you've always got to be prepared with a one-liner, even if it means worrying more about snappy comebacks than snappy stories. Ludtke and Time Inc. filed a civil rights lawsuit months later. In the arbitrary world of newspaper politics, the arrival of a new sports editor breathed life into my career. ), "Hey, if you know so much about sports," he continues, "let's see if you can answer this question: Who was the last NFL running back to also play quarterback in an even-numbered Super Bowl? Dressed in a pair of virgin white flats, I trudged through the Arlington Stadium tunnela conglomeration of dirt and spit and sunflower seeds, caked to the walkway like 10,000-year-old bat guano at Carlsbad Cavernsdreading the task before me. He was standing in front of me ready to talk, I locked eyes on him, and asked my questions. ", He started yelling again in this really high voice. Ines Sainz, a reporter for the Mexican network TV Azteca, gestures while working on the sideline during the second quarter of an NFL football between the New York Jets and the Baltimore Ravens at . TAFOYA: And so if they come up with any other days of the week, I'll be happy to try those, as well. Customers Modifications . The next year, I was booted because I couldn't do back flips. Fueled by my own version of a life-affirming experience, I felt as though I was taking back 10 years of my life. But there are still places out there where they believe in cooties, so Tafoya will answer three questions about men's-only clubs. Bill, who's Michele Tafoya playing for? I fully expected trouble. It might as well have been a water cooler. SAGAL: So you came back, and you're like, well, I just talked to the coach of the losing team, and he suggested certain things that were anatomically impossible. [9] 7 players remain on Eagles latest injury Danny Green provides new insight on Tobias Interview: Former Eagles Super Bowl Champ, Chris Long, Joins Tom Segura on Tom Talks. Pearlman is a household name when it comes to sportswriters, and Long is one of the most beloved Philadelphia athletes in recent memory. "I don't think women should be in the locker room," he said. She is currently involved in a court case to allow women reporters in sports locker rooms. For years I was hopelessly mired in phone answering and score taking, watching as others in similar positions moved up and on. NEW YORK (CBS) Everyone has an opinion about the recent incident involving the way Mexican reporter Ines Sainz was treated in the New York Jets locker room Saturday. The biggest cultural difference between reporting on sport in the UK and across the pond is that everyone here is allowed into the locker-room. And I didn't want to go back to putting up full-time with condescending high school and college coaches and jerks guarding locker room doors. Leaking testosterone and reeking of beer, a Jethro Bodin-esque character sidles up and asks what I do. And while most nudity is off-camera and doesnt find its way to audiences, the shirtless, disheveled, or still-sweating sports star, facing an array of microphones in front of his cubby, has become an enduring image in sports coverage. "I don't have any idea what you're up to.". She would later come to work at The Times as well. Would it be awesome if they were better ventilated? The only way a female reporter can do her job in a locker room is if the players dont look at her as a chick. SAGAL: Absolutely. It was just one of those moments you want to hold for yourself. Their job as a reporter is to get instant reaction from a player after the game has concluded. The access is great, but it does create some very. All I remember is green and light and the security of my daddy's arms. But there are still places out there where they believe in cooties,. Horse's Heinie on occasion, was watching a college football game in a chair in the middle of it allnaked. ")[5] Later, on February 4, 1991, at a male-only sports banquet in Stamford, Connecticut, Kiam told the attendees a crude joke about the incident. We've invited you here to play a game we're calling SAGAL: OK. Its all weve ever known, right wing Josh Bailey, wearing a blue Islanders shirt, skin-tight compression shorts, and knee-high athletic socks, told me after a practice last week. Gayle Gardner began working for ESPN in 1983 as a SportsCenter anchor, becoming one of the first women to regularly anchor a nightly network sports broadcast. That first-person ode to Arlington Stadium was entered in a contest. Well, first of all, so now SAGAL: Describe your job. I was nervous the first time I entered the Rangers locker room, about seven years ago. I compared my scar (a plate and six screws from a broken ankle) to Mark Tylers scar from his broken leg, with Mark proclaiming mine cooler.. When men gather at bars and golf courses and any of the other traditional salt licks for male bonding, do they ask the gynecologist what Mrs. Holcombe's hooters look like? Except she and St. Cyr I was doing that one recent day when a wet, naked body walked into my trance. She lives with three dogs in her happy bungalow in Texas. We were a middle-class family of four with one kid just a few years from college and another a few years from kindergarten. Later he admitted to calling her a "classy bitch. Donna doesn't like politics, so she asks what it is I do for the paper again. But I don't think it seems very logical to some of the other reporters. Immediately, reporters started asking me, Are you going to do it? I did not want to smell the entire ride home, so I decided to take a shower. Two Patriots had complained earlier to James Oldham, the team's director of media relations, and to Pat Sullivan, the team's general manager, that they believed Olson was, in the players' words, "a looker," someone who stood around the locker room not interviewing anyone. Later that year, Olson and Sam Marchiano were reportedly subjected to a profanity-laced verbal tirade by New York Yankees pitcher David Wells when they approached him at his home to comment on his sudden trade to the Toronto Blue Jays for Roger Clemens. The guys screamed at me and demanded to know if I was "on the rag" when I was surly; yet they could scream and be surly at me all they wanted. They've both seen Patriot missiles up close." SAGAL: Now, why is that because being a reporter seems like a hard job? And what if someone saw me in this state of trepidation? KURTIS: She did great because she got two right. Her family were fervent sports fans. I had mentioned Kenny's hair in a story that had yet to even appear in some of the Observer's newsstands. Olson worked as a sports columnist for the Daily News for ten years. Fear of the unknown tends to do that to you. However, Briggs thought otherwise. It was Each time I stopped pacing, the clerk and guard started toward me. They knew I could write even the most boring stuff into something of interest. I wanted to know these 4 things: 1. He still didn't answer my question directly. You take a right turn before you have to walk straight into the naked men and the soap. By then I had researched what day shipment was due in bookstores. Before a team got used to me, there might be some giggling each time someone made a smart remark or cursed loud enough to get you kicked out of the Watauga Dairy Queen. On Tuesday, Portis told 106.7 The Fan that both players and female reporters have wandering eyes when the sexes are mixed in a locker room setting. 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